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Friday, 27 March 2009

An official Disney magazine 'Disney 23' had it's inaugural issue recently, with an article on Tim Burton's history with Disney as it's main feature (further down the post). Annie Leibovitz' Disney photo shoots and other things featured, the title '23' comes from when Disney was founded in 1923. Most people are aware of the '23 enigma' in some part, even if it's just from seeing a poster for the movie 'The Number 23'. More from this magazine in the next part or the one after, some good preview images of Burton's Alice in Wonderland and other relevant info/images. I'll use this as an opportunity to post more on Disney in general and also some numerology in the Disney Timeline I've been meaning to post on, I only got as far as 1933 in this so lots to go! If you want a comprehensive analysis of Disney's history then I recommend this link and Cremation of Care always does good stuff, link. What I'm doing here is a summary of some of Disney's main themes from my perspective (people will probably know more than me, so do comment), I go off on an Alice Liddell/Lewis Carroll tangent also.

It was founded in 1923, when "Walt Disney signed a contract with M.J. Winkler to produce a series of Alice Comedies, beginning the Disney company under its original name Disney Brothers Cartoon Studio, with brothers Walt and Roy Disney, as equal partners." I've embedded the original one 'Alice's Wonderland' below, the subversive themes of these black and white shorts should be obvious: "Alice visits Disney's cartoon studio where the cartoons jump off the page. Later on, she sleeps and dreams that she has gone toCartoonland [Wonderland] where she is able to interact with the cartoon characters." Walt undoubtedly had Alice in Wonderland in mind when he created Alice's Wonderland and the subsequent Alice Comedies, but it wasn't until 1951 that he tackled the actual Lewis Carroll work, instead of just using (as is the case here) it's central themes of a young girl called Alice dissociating into an alternate reality.

Walt Disney is the White Rabbit (who leads Alice down the rabbit hole into Wonderland; a metaphor [and programming device] for 'leading' children down into dissociation [tumbling into a trance] through abuse [the white rabbit represents the abuser/'master'/programmer that must be followed at all times], the introduction to Disney's 1951 Alice in Wonderland pretty much announces that Walter is the White Rabbit [above image]. It is worth noting the White Rabbit in the film appears for the first time as a reflectionin the pond Alice is playing by, right when ripples [a metaphor often used for trauma; i.e. in the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies' logo] are made). Obviously much more on this version of Alice in Wonderland (and the new one) to come in the next parts.

To further illustrate the subversive MK elements, from wiki: "Alice is a little girl, yet she spends much of her time avoiding danger, and even getting kidnapped by the cartoon villains, threatened with such perils as being tied to a log in a sawmill." Themes of dissociation are clearly present; remember Alice in Wonderland is about a little girl's dissociation from sexual abuse [("Lewis Carroll" was a pedophile, the fact that Walt would choose the name and themes of 'Alice' as his first work should tell you a lot about Disney) as a survival mechanism the mind of an abused child "splits off" from conscious reality, i.e. tumbling down the rabbit hole out of this reality (she follows/is led by the White Rabbit [abuser/programmer] into it) into Wonderland [in Through Looking Glass, going through the looking glass/mirror becomes the metaphor/mechanism of dissociation, more on this below], the cyclone taking Dorothy over the rainbow into Oz, and all the many variants in countless works of fiction (all of which can be used in programming)]. The first written message of Alice's Wonderland (it being silent) starts with "Little Alice, chuck full of curiosity..." remember the little girl who apparently told/inspired Lewis Carroll to write Adventures in Wonderland was called Alice Liddell; so in calling her 'Little' I view it as consciously invoking the original abused Alice Liddell (with the name essentially reversed). And describing her as being full of 'curiosity' is another clear Alice in Wonderland reference as one of her trademark lines is how 'curious' she always is.

The above video comes from a TV version of Through the Looking Glass showing Alice stuck in the mirror (notice Queen Victoria [see further down] pictured often, the cat and generally the overt psychological/MK themes going on here). This theme of going 'Through the Mirror' and dissociation is used by Disney in a 1936 Mickey Mouse (Magic Mirror) short entitled 'Thru the Mirror', I've embedded it below but also with a few relevant screen captures (from the Alice in Wonderland DVD).

MM falls asleep reading Through the Looking Glass and he leaves his body (dissociates; the sleeping/dreaming is always symbolic dissociation not a literal standard dream, victims are taught to believe their abuse was a 'dream' [which is easy to do because the victim's dissociative mind will automatically want to think that it wasn't real as a survival mechanism; most "dreams" are quickly forgotten])
He goes 'Thru the Mirror' where everything is backwards/mirrored, and all of the inanimate objects become animated and alive, which is obviously a common theme in Disney films.
Notice the rainbows (more dissociation symbolism [Dorothy is taken by the cyclone over the rainbow into Oz ((dissociation/trance)), described above], rainbows are a very effective trigger [it's different colours make it a good hypnotic device; just look at all the hypnosis services using it as their name/logo] also [going over the rainbow/through the mirror as I've said are quite similar so it's interesting that both feature here]) in this very MK symbolic Gamecube game cover (click the image for it's wiki, predictable plot [collecting mirror shards is worth noting]); Magical Mirror starring Mickey Mouse.
Standard Masonic top hat [he also dances on top of it and such]/phallic cane dance [remember MMC, Mickey Mouse Club programmed slaves Britney/Christina and Madonna's MTV top hat/androgyny 'Like a Virgin' ritual and Beyonce and co at the recent Oscars].
Lots of other symbolic things feature (Poseidon and lots I haven't pictured or described), remember Belgium's Joker rode in on a bicycle (I think there are some more Joker/bicycle connections in the comments too).
More from the above article in the next parts (top half of image at end of this post).

Some brief information on Alice Liddell (above photo taken by Carroll [back in those days, they could get away with public pedophilia which this image is not, Queen Victoria even ordered some for Prince Albert.]) and how Alice in Wonderland was allegedly created: "On 4 July 1862, in a rowing boat travelling on The Isis from Folly Bridge, Oxford to Godstow for a picnic outing, 10-year-old Alice askedCharles Dodgson(More commonly known by his pen name, Lewis Carroll) to entertain her and her sisters, Edith (age 8) and Lorina (age 13), with a story. As the Reverend Robinson Duckworth rowed the boat, Dodgson regaled the girls with fantastic stories of a girl, named Alice, and her adventures after she fell into a rabbit-hole. The story was not unlike those Dodgson had spun for the sisters before, but this time Alice asked Mr. Dodgson to write it down for her. He promised to do so but did not get around to the task for some months. He eventually presented Alice with the manuscript of Alice's Adventures Under Ground in November 1864." Now obviously most of that is the kind of typical myth given to the public to make them feel at ease (Peter Pan creator J. M. Barrie would be another example of this kind of thing I think), I feel we know enough to be able to read into it. Considering the themes of dissociation/confusion and many other psychological/MK aspects involved in child abuse that are present in Alice in Wonderland... it really isn't brain surgery to figure out what's going on here! Anyone expecting some kind of definitive proof either way is kidding themselves, there's a reason why those pages from his diary went missing, why Alice's mother tore up all the letters from Dodgson to Alice, and I am sure most of Dodgson's more explicit photographs and drawings of naked little girls have been kept successfully buried.

[Edit: deleted fake image I had previously removed from another post but forgot it was still in here, thanks to the commenter who mentioned it.]

Alice is on the right, her sisters Edith and Irena (middle) are with them. Alice's MK/abuse probably started with her Oxford UniversityVice-Chancellorfather Henry Liddell, who was also the Dean of Christ Church(Carroll met the family as Henry had just become the Dean ofChrist Church) and he probably allowed her to be used by people like the aforementioned Reverend Robinson Duckworth (was a chaplain/member of the Order of St. John, with it's Maltese style cross always used by the powers that be, also a member of 'elite' Gentlemens clubs like the Athenaeum Club) who rowed the boat [this nursery ryhmne was probably sung in their "entertaining" of the girls: "Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream." (more dissociation ((don't worry about the abuse, just keep rowing (((keep following the white rabbit, keep following the yellow brick road etc etc)))... it's all just a dream anyway, in MK this is partly how dissociation is used; dreams, fantasy and reality are confused)), nursery ryhmnes/fairy tales are all full of it)]. Showing some more of Robinson's 'elite'/monarch connections, he served as Instructor and Governor to Prince Leopold (leopard; suffered from hemophilia [as most of the ibred royal scum did] and "mild epilepsy"), who more than likely used the Liddell sisters (again showing how these slaves are often used by 'elite'/royalty; Daisy Greville was another one [who then became King Edward VII's mistress, and was used by various "powerful men"]), Alice named one of her son's after the Prince and he was also the child's godfather (both her son's died in the mass ritual blood-sacrifice at WW1), Robinson became King Edward's Ordinary-in-Chaplain, then Queen Victoria's (you'll notice Monarch, Queen Victoria's painting featuring prominently in the Through The Looking Glass video further up). Like the occultist author of The Wizard of Oz Frank Braum, Lewis Carroll was also a member of/or at least influenced by the Theosophical Society.

Below is a picture from later in Alice's life, showing her vacant/dissociative/glazed over eyes.
Society was incredibly misogynistic back then (but Queen Victoria was in power, how could it have been?! [wake up, Monarchs are empty-headed figureheads]), it still is today though it has evolved, below is her gravestone where she lost, not only her last name as you'd expect (she married cricketer Reginald Hargreaves), but even her first? Sounds like men were trying to control her her whole life...

You could spend years speculating why Dodgson and the Liddell family fell out [letter from Alice's mum to Dodgson: 'It is no longer desirable for you to spend time with our family.'], if he was in fact a pedophile who abused Alice Liddell, etc. But to me, his and her connections to the clergy (many clergymen are pedophiles [it was planned that way, what did they think would happen with all that sexual repression?!], especially in the higher echelons [at Christ Church etc]; a large number of multi-generational abuse families comes from the Christian church and all other similar religions), connections to royalty ("relationships" with Princes and such), the themes of dissociation and other elements pertaining to abuse being so prevalent in his work and others make it patently obvious what Alice in Wonderland is really about [below trailer (notice the checkerboard and whatnot) is from "Dreamchild" where an 80 year old Alice attends Columbia University: "Via flashbacks, it is insinuated that Dodgson had an infatuation with the young Alice Liddell. Was it an innocent admiration he had for the girl or something inappropriate? Alice is clearly troubled by her recollections of Dodgson. The parameters of her relationship with him were somewhat tortured."].

Alice is usually accompanied by her cat Julius (AKA Felix the Cat), Alice (in Disney's Alice in Wonderland at least) is also accompanied by a cat, before tumbling down the rabbit hole (much more on this + pictures in the coming parts). Walt's original Alice was played by a 4 year oldVirginia Davis from Kansas City, who would go onto perform in plays such as 'The Blue Bird' (I've linked to the 1940 Shirley Temple movie version as it has a better description of it's MK elements [similar to Wizard of Oz, don't forget Project BLUEBIRD], based on the same fairy play written by Maurice Maeterlinck [who was heavily into the occult/mysticism]) and not much else, she has appeared in 13 movies in total.

Walt with Shirley Temple (from inside Club 33).

Anyway, we have established that Alice in Wonderland heavily influenced Walt Disney, creating 'Alice's Wonderland' and the Alice shorts that followed, as their first public films. But he did not immediately seek to turn the actual Lewis Carroll books into a movie, it was always on his mind however ("he had been thinking of making it for 30 years before 1951"-paraphrased from Wonderland DVD). We will come to Disney's Alice in Wonderland 1951 work in the next parts, but continuing the Disney timeline after the Alice Comedies came Oswald the Lucky Rabbit in 1927; I've embedded one short he features in 'The Mechanical Man' (this isn't Disney, just their character; but Disney did make a 'Mickey's Mechanical Man' in 1933 [33/MM]) below with some standard MK themes (robot needing a heart etc) and the usual subversive sexual imagery (the dancing phallus at 0:25). American/Soviet military programmed mind control assassin Lee Harvey Oswald was nicknamed in the military, 'Ozzie Rabbit' after the cartoon rabbit; I wouldn't be surprised (wild speculation admittedly) if one of the episodes was used on him as a trigger in the assassination of JFK (not that he fired the fatal shots or anything, MK'd patsies are always a necessity in political assassinations [note his grave below, simply 'OSWALD']).

Skipping a few years (the skull and bones invoking, somewhat macabre 'Skeleton Dance') to the Masonic 1933, Walt unsurprisingly (more on Walt's potential Freemasonic connections below) chose to turn a very Masonic fairy tale into a film in 'Three Little Pigs' [33, 3 little pigs; there are three main degrees of freemasonry]. The fairy-tale itself has some unarguably Masonic overtones; the three pigs are brothers (Masons refer to themselves as "brothers") who are builders (AKA Masons). If you were a Freemason you'd take the third pig's taking the time to build a strong and sturdy house that cannot be broken into by the big bad wolf (AKA the elements, danger, bad things) as an analogy for their own lives and building a better society as a whole. Which would be the kind interpretation that I think most Masons wouldn't argue with (considering the origins of Freemasonry, the building of Solomon's temple is it's central allegory); I would suggest however that it is more about (from Walt and other illuminists' perspectives) building a closed society for the "brothers" to live in only, we/the masses (the nasty wolf) are kept out (in a state of ignorance/submission/slavery).

We have seen that Walt chose to create a fairy-tale extremely analogous to Freemasonry's central allegories in the year 1933 (beyond coincidence), this is a good opportunity to make some other pertinent Walt Disney Freemasonry connections. I don't think it particularly matters if he was a "33rd Degree Freemason" specifically which people harp on about; he was part of that 'elite' culture though so the '33' symbolism he would have been more than aware of, this is confirmed when you consider he was a member of the Order of DeMolay a Kansas (Oz) City Masonic youth organization (similar to the Rainbow girls [with more big Disney connections] and others): "Founded by a Freemason, DeMolay is closely modeled after Freemasonry. It is not directly connected to Freemasonry, though it normally meets in a Masonic Lodge room [...not directly connected?!]. DeMolay is considered to be part of the Masonic Family... The organization is named after Jacques DeMolay, a knight and crusader who was the 33rd and last Grand Master of the Knights Templar." So we can see that Walt would clearly have been conscious of the importance of 33 to DeMolay [it's founder, "Dad" was a 33rd also] and Freemasonry.

Source for these First Day Covers; the below one commemorating Mickey Mouse being an honory DeMolay and above showing more sun symbolism (see further down), and below that commemorating his "Presidential Medal of Freedom", which is always hilariously ironic in who it is given to.

One such Masonic Lodge room a chapter of DeMolay meet in (found via google), note the usual Freemasonic checkerboard floor.

I personally feel organizations such as these are used for programming children (or at least getting them on their side and putting them on their intended future path, whilst keeping them in ignorance) for their future role on the global stage (Freemasonry is only a small part of it, it has been used as a conduit for control; most Masons are entirely innocent), apart from Walter (alter, alter-personalities) Elias (El Hebrew name for god, old testament Freemasonry/qabalah) Disney (see wiki entry on Elias for more [literally means 'the sun'; sun symbolism often consciously featured on Mickey, like in the below screencap from the start of 'Thru the Mirror']); other puppets to have been members include John Wayne, President Bill Clinton and many others.

Disney even hosted it's own Masonic Club, supposedly for it's employees who were Freemasons (source for some of this info), note the symbolic colours chosen, blue (with a slight purple tinge) and yellow/gold, this link describes their use of blue and gold (I have posted on it before, in regards to the illuminist show Eureka) together and speculates as to why. These specific colours are often used by Masons (you'll also notice the flute playing pig has the same colours), if you've looked into Freemasonry for five minutes you would have seen these colours used together; it is no coincidence then that Disney World Resort's official logo is blue with the gold shooting stars [remember Elias/Elios = sun, a star; yellow/gold symbolizes the sun too].

Gold and Blue were the official colours chosen in 2005 to celebrate it's 50 years of successful child mind-fucking (["The happiest celebration on Earth"] it's worth noting all the various other connected things celebrating their 50/55 year anniversaries recently/past few years, such as Barbie and Playboy [both of which are heavily associated with Marilyn Monroe, Tinkerbell ((slutty-looking ["mature-allure"]/sleepy-eyed/child-like innocent little fairy)) was based on her, as some rumors suggest; the real model for Tinker Bell ((see keyhole [keys/keyholes = symbolizing keys/triggers for accessing alters/dissociative states/sex programs/etc] picture below)), MK Margaret Kelly ((ballerina, never knew her parents [so an easy target similar to Norma Jeane who was also fostered] etc)) seems like she went through similar sex programming as MM, she died on September 11th 2004]).

MK and Tinker Bell.

Bearing all that in mind, the name of Disney's Club 33 makes a lot more sense [note the clear duality symbolism on the above logo too, remember Walter's DeMolay chapter would have met up in a Masonic lodge over a checkerboard floor (duality)]; which I want to finish just by posting a few images of. Specifically located on 33Royal Street, which is enough explanation as to why the number 33 for some people! That specifically numbered location would have been chosen with conscious intent, for the reasons stated further up.

And to give you some more idea of the occult numerology employed by Disney in regards to MM, I've posted on this before but M=13, confirmation that this is occult numerology (it shows that Walt was definitely thinking of numerology anyway) comes in the official address of the original Disneylandresort which is actually 1313 Harbor Blvd [so 1313/MM (Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse etc; M is like 3 on it's side also, why so obsessed with the number 3 Disney?), how can this '1313' be coincidence? the resort's PO Box is 3232, more numerology], the address you send applications for club 33 membership to is: Club 33, 1313 Harbor Blvd, Anaheim.
Look at the 33 corporations (the number of Lessees/park sponsors of the original park, again this would be consciously done; these people are sociopaths obsessed with ritual, symbolism/numerology is unbelievably prevalent in the corporate world), very much "part of the Disneyland story" (they fucking own/control it). And Monsanto, Coca-Cola, General Electric and co are not evil in the slightest!
I must credit the site Disneylandclub33.com for many of these images, great little site; though I'm not sure what they'd make of this if anyone from there read this...

Finish this part up with a few images from '33', below is Mickey Rooney attending; with a (Pirates of the Caribbean; which is of course itself loaded with occult themes, this article is good [it states that he was a 33rd degree Master Mason; not that it really matters if he was or wasn't]) skull and bones image helpfully in the frame, showing some of that symbolism within 'Club 33's walls. He comes from a 'vaudeville' entertainment family, the best character actors (his father Joe Yule was one, so was his mother) are the ones that can mentally genuinely 'become' the personality they are supposed to be portraying (as an example, Heath Ledger's Joker alter-personality was deeply programmed in). Going by Mickey's roles (and his name change, worked with Garland a lot etc) I would suggest the he is likely MK'd, "He began performing at the age of 17 months as part of his parents' routine, wearing a specially tailored tuxedo.", playing the Wizard in a stage production of the Wizard of Oz (with Eartha Kitt as it goes), in a kids animeated feature 'Journey Back to Oz' (not Disney, I'll get to their 'Return to Oz' soon enough [probably in the last part]) he played the scarecrow and probably a lot more roles (there's so many! Boys Town is probably worth noting [see Conspiracy of Silence], I did not know mind controlled cult leader Charles Manson was likely programmed there, but that obviously makes perfect sense).

Just to illustrate the similar themes to Wonderland: "During a twister, Dorothy is hit on the head by a fence and she is once again whisked to the land of Oz." [Wonderland and the Land of Oz essentially serve the same purposes in programming, dissociation. (Alice tumbling down the rabbit hole into Wonderland; the cyclone taking Dorothy to Oz, in this case even more MK symbolic due to Dorothy's head trauma)]"Mickey starred as the Movie Mason in a Disney ChannelOriginal Movie family film 2000's Phantom of the Megaplex." [Phantom of the Opera is MK]...."In 1966, while Rooney was working on a film in the Philippines, his wife Barbara Ann Thomason (aka Tara Thomas, Carolyn Mitchell), a former pin-up model and aspiring actress who had won 17 straight beauty contests in Southern California, was found dead in their bed. Beside her was her lover, Milos Milos, an actor friend of Rooney's. Detectives ruled it murder-suicide, which was committed with Rooney's own gun. Milos was also a bodyguard and was connected to Stevan Markovic, bodyguard of French star Alain Delon. Markovic was also found dead in mysterious circumstances in Paris two years later."..."Joe got the role [Mickey McGuire] and became "Mickey" for 78 of the comedies, running from 1927 to 1936, starting with Mickey's Circus, released September 4, 1927.[3] These had been adapted from the Toonerville Trolley comic strip, which contained a character named Mickey McGuire. Joe Yule briefly legally became Mickey McGuire to trump an attempted copyright lawsuit (as it was his legal name, the movie producers did not owe the comic strip writers royalties). Rooney later claimed that, during his Mickey McGuire days, he met cartoonist Walt Disney at the Warner Brothers studio, and that Disney was inspired to name Mickey Mouse after him,[4] although Disney always said that he had changed the name from "Mortimer Mouse" on the suggestion of his wife. [probably all the various stories are lies, we'll never know really]"
I wanted to also post this image, showing some more symbolism in those images as we have two pinned butterflies and a zebra [duality, valis etc]. The butterflies come from Lillian [lily/lilith/etc] Disney's collection, again I recommend the comprehensive link on Disney I posted in the opening paragraph for more information on Lillian.
Gots to have your horn-ed beasts ;) note the goat head (but any horned beast will do), more of those pinned butterflies, the below "Great HornedOwl" (top of below image; symbolically positioned) was moved to the animal kingdom ([the animal kingdom has the qabalistic Tree of Life as it's focal point] pictured below it for better detail).
And of course the animatronic vulture (note all the fleur-de-lis on the curtains) that Walt intended would speak to the guests but that feature wasn't inclued, and microphones hidden in the chandaliers (which are still there, and working I think) to listen in on the guests.
And to finish, a little preview image for the next couple of parts (I think part 2 will stick with Disney, then a more Burton-centric Part 3) of Mia Wasikowski as Alice (spot the rabbit/cat) about to tumble down the rabbit hole into Wonderland. It will take me a few days to put together so in the mean time you could read my post on Disney's Enchanted (plenty of other Disney stuff throughout the blog).

Great post, but you still refuse to see the occult symbolism in all of this. Mickey's dream is clearly an out of body experience, an astral journey, not just dissociation. What do you make of all the "magic" and occult symbolism in Disney programming?

There's a lot more going on here than just psychological mind control there is a spiritual element to all of this. But I suppose you're taking the analysis as far as you're comfortable with and leaving the occult analysis to others? Fair enough.

Ah yes, Aferris I remembered reading about it a while back, forgot there were two rabbits! I was too lazy to look up exactly where; here's a link for readers.

Hey mal, just did a quick search through the pdf (right click, save link/target as) of Brice Taylor/Sue Ford's book and it mentions him, thanks for the tip: "Mickey Rooney is, among other things, a pedophile [passed down, Yules are a mult-generational family] and was afraid of publicly being caught with a child but he felt safe having a slave child [Brice]. He thought he wouldn't be caught [he wasn't]." Mickey's son (same name) was a Mouseketeer in 1955 and married a MM playboy model. Jr now runs his own Evangelical Ministry (the Rooney's are both "Born again Christians", like Bush and co... yerright, how stupid do they think we are? ;), I'm sure you can surmise what's really going on in that Ministry!

And 8:18 anony sorry if you don't think I'm seeing the occult symbolism in all this, I don't consciously do that and am more than aware Disney is loaded with occult themes/symbolism and are absolutely used in programming (I linked to other sources with more occult-based analysis). I do try to describe the occult symbolism when I think it's relevant (I personally still view it as much more likely that the Thru the Mirror MM short is purely about dissociation, considering Walt's Alice stuff and such [don't think you should take it as a literal representation of an out of body experience, which victims have told about and all that type of stuff is definitely a part of it]), a lot of this blog is about occult symbolism (like I assume people will recognize things like sun symbolism, goat heads/owls, all seeing eyes, 13 etc as occult without me coming out and saying it every time I post on them) though so I'm not sure how you can say I'm not seeing any of it? But I see where your coming from and I'm sure some people agree. Thanks for the great link there, I hadn't seen it before and have added to the links on the right; those videos look really good, cheers.

Cheers Chris for great links/info as always, and 8:13 anony interesting observation on the keyhole makes sense.

8:33 I was thinking the same watching the trailer too, was very surprised to see him as Carroll actually. Maybe this has something to do with it? "His mother was a nurse, and his father was a psychiatrist who worked as the superintendent of the West Ham Corporation Mental Hospital and was one of the pioneers of electric shock therapy." lmfao Iam Holm wiki.

Thanks for responding about the occult thingy. Of course you are pointing it out, but I guess what I mean is: What do you make of it?

Ok, so its used in programming, yes. But do you really think that all these powerful secret societies and masons put their stamp and symbols on everything just because of psychology, or do you think THEY believe there is an actual spiritual effect as well. And if so, are they onto something, considering they've been beating the same horse for hundreds of years??

in the television prison drama 'Oz', the fictional OZ prison was named 'Oswald State Correctional Facility'and the prison subjected one prisoner character Cyril O'Reily to electroshock, and later the same prisoner was executed

Great finds, Ben. Couple things- the Grand Lodge of New York is on 23rd St in Manhattan. Also, Disney produced the first two Narnia films, which themselves are just chocked to the brim with sun worship symbolism. Don't forget Disney's planned community Celebration, which is a laboratory for social engineering.

I was thinking the same watching the trailer too, was very surprised to see him as Carroll actually. Maybe this has something to do with it? "His mother was a nurse, and his father was a psychiatrist who worked as the superintendent of the West Ham Corporation Mental Hospital and was one of the pioneers of electric shock therapy

This thread is very interesting. I have been following some similar lines of enquiry on the 'lebowskifest'forum.What attracted me was the 'Jesus Quintana' scene in the 'Big Lebowski' movie.It is almost exactly like the 'Rooster' character in Disney's 3 Amigos[near end credits] right down to the purple clothing!It's no coincidence, that 'The Big Lebowski', is an anagram of G -white-B Obelisk? I think not.Keep up this excellent line of inquiry!Also a simple animal like the Giraffe, has much occult symbolism,in the book '1421 the year China discovered America', details are found about the use of this imagery[the giraffe was then unknown in China, it was a star constellation]by Chinese shamens.When one was actually produced alive at the emporers court, the shock waves were palpable! the chinese called it the 'Quilin', if your conscious /unconscious capability is confused[by looking at an impossible picture, for example, half giraffe half 24 black birds with open beaks and multiple eyes, you will experience your own 'anima', be warned! this opens your 'third eye', and if you are unprepared, you may 'identify' with your 'lower' self, ie, instinct, which is now given 'form'.This is not for the simple minded! it is a dangerous technique, the stressed out abd highly charged Disney , spent his latter days sitting in the red firehouse at Disneyland, I wonder what chernabog he met on his 'trip?'

On my last post, I should have mentioned there being 2 giraffe figures, the other one had fish heads[I kid you not!] hanging down[with multiple eyes] as 'above so below', as they say!

There is an artist called S.Treister,who has collated much Disney information/occult-type stuff, and used her findings in a fictional 'artwork', called 'Hexen 2039', here is an example from it;

FANTASIA

In 1941, during WWII, Samuel Goldwyn, who had maintained an independent production company since 1922, fell out with his then distribution company United Artists and signed a distribution deal with Radio-Keith-Orpheum (RKO). At RKO studios in 1940, the previous year, Walt Disney had made the acclaimed feature cartoon, Fantasia. The film Fantasia also incorporated into its soundtrack Modest Mussorgsky's composition, Night on Bald Mountain.

When Fantasia premiered at the 'BroadwayÕ in New York City on November 13, 1940, it was presented in Fantasound, an early stereo system devised at the Disney Studio. The system required theatres to be specially equipped and due to the expense the film originally opened in only 14 venues. IMATI carries out an investigation into Fantasound technologies.

CHERNOBOG/CHERNOBYL

One of the key characters in Fantasia was an evil creature called Chernobog. The Ukrainian town and nuclear reactor Chernobyl derives its name from the Chernobog (black god of death/Satan) and the Bylebog (representative of the forces of good) both of which are mythological creatures of the Slavonic pagan dualist belief system. Mussorgsky's Music was inspired by these myths and in the making of Fantasia the Ukrainian animator Vladimir Tytla brought the Chernobog to life.

She has lots of interesting , and useful information. This blog is great! keep it up!

No way meaning to defend Carroll from pedophilia (not accussing too) I think the photography of Carroll and Alice kissing is a sad fake...you can notice a hard-line in the figures, and I'd like it was real because it would be a very important document throwing light on the relation Carroll-Alice...but it is not a Carroll's photography, you can look for your images and the quality is different, it is (digitally or manually) retouched...In other aspect, I think Carroll had pedophilic trends (is an opinion) but I don't see as clear as you than he was a molester. In other aspect, you must see that state of things in the context of the crazily-puritan victorian society, that adds an extra of violence in the story. A good post, thank you!

Lewis Carrol was NOT a pedophile. Although there have been rumors for decades and many people like to say such things, it isn't true. Charles Dodgson (his real name) was a photographer who specialized in child photography. Although there have been many photos found of nude children in his collection, it was normal at the time. Many families of the era chose to have their children photographed in the nude, and every time Dodgson took nude pictures of children he would request that the parents would supervise. Alice Liddel, the little girl that was the inspiration for the character Alice, was loved by Dodgson, but he only ever wanted to marry her when she reached the proper age. There is a really good National Geographic article on Lewis Carrol anybody interested should read, it is where I learned this information.Cheers

I've read through the blog but still have to go back and look through the links and comments. I knew some of what was going on paedophilia and mind control, but didn't know it was this deep!I know of masonic and royal connections and knew walt disney was a racist, but didn't know he was a mason too. thanks for a wonderful blog!