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There is a movement out there to silence the left.In case you guys havnt heard Comcast is planning to dump Kieth obberman, Rachel Maddouw in Ed Shultz in replave them with Laura Ingrahm,JD Hayworth if he loses to Mccain in also Allen Combs which is a suprise.The conservatives already controls 90% of talk radio,in now their planning to control 75% of talk television.this is part of a plan by the far-right media to try in get 70% of White Voters to support Republicans,because by 2016 33% of all voters is going to be minority which means the Gop have to get 66% of White Voters to win back the Whitehouse.

You don't understand the liberal mind. Yes only 20 percent identify as liberal, but if you ask a liberal that's just because they failed to communicate their liberal message properly. So they sitll think most people are liberals, they just are not smart enough to realize it.

hoosier-gary do you realize the lastime the republican party had over 250 seats in the congress was over 100yrs ago.do you realize the lastime the Gop had over 60 Senate seats was over 106yrs ago.Do you realize Hoosier-Gary the Republican party havnt gotten over 300 Electoral votes since 1988.So tell me Hoosier-Gary how in the hell can this country only be 20% liberal? By those figures it seems to me this country is about 20% Conservative.

Olberman has marginalized msnbc into a fringe left hang out. They are not a news network, though I admit I do tune into Olberman from tiem totime just to see hsi smug little face with all that over applied make up on it. Maddow is just there to fill space, I don't think she is all that smart, but msnbc has been destoryed in temrs of being a credible source for news.

And yet there are more Democrats in the nation, Democrats control both Houses, and a Democrat laid a butt whipping on a conservative in the last race for the White House. All this despite the fact that Republicans say that the Democrats are all a bunch of evil liberal extremists. Something doesn't add up here.

Putting aside the myth of the so called liberal media, I'm having trouble with your business sense. How is 20% of the country not a market for something? Does a market have to be a majority? In that case how is 40% definitely a market?

Its especially dumb when you realize that the actual markets are much, much smaller. The biggest audience on Fox News is less than 2% of the country.

Yup, less than half of Dems are liberals but the libs effectively control all of the party. While the conservatives are an overwhelming majority of the GOP.

How can you say its a myth? Just about every newspaper and every tv news station is controlled by liberals spouting their propaganda. There is one news station on TV that does not and maybe one or two papers, out of hundreds, that cannot be classified as liberal.

Neither is CNN or Fox. Rupert Murdoch actually told the New York Times that Fox News is not news, but news and opinion based entertainment.

Neither is ABC, NBC, or CNN. Neither is WSJ, NYT, LAT, etc. (you get the picture).

It is all biased based on the journalists skewed view of the situation. Murdoch simply filled a void in the news media by adding a conservatively skewed station. Given that liberal are 20% of the population and have 3 cable stations and 3 network stations competing for their audience, it only makes sense to add a conservative one to capture the 40% of the population who weren't being served. Smart man. Its made him billions.

Because the bias accusations are subjective and not quantifiable. That's why mostly conservatives say it.

"There is one news station on TV that does not and maybe one or two papers, out of hundreds, that cannot be classified as liberal."

New York Post, Boston Herald, Washington Times. There, I named 3 papers.

What you say is simply not true. There are a dozen papers in my region alone that lean conservative editorially. They are just smaller. Even the Austin American-Statesman endorsed Bush twice, based in a county where he didn't more than 46% of the vote. On average, that paper is editorially more conservative than the population of the city as a whole. The editors are routinely against what the city council does, etc...

It's true that there are many smaller and mid-sized cities' papers lean conservative. AM radio is overwhelmingly conservative. But few people read the paper and listen to AM. Most people watch movies, TV and listen to FM. All of those are predominately liberal. Here's my post from a prior thread.

Aaron, you ever watch FOX News Channel on tv? It's a myth that they're conservative. I find them straight down the middle centrists. Most major media outlets sound liberal to my and every conservative ear, the same way FSN sounds conservative to you.

Why did the nation elected 5 GOP prez's in last 8 tries? Cons outnumber Libs 2 to 1. That means GOP prez should have been elected 8 times in last 8 tries.

Same goes for your assertion about mist news consumers being older, yet favoring conservative politics. Yeah, they may vote 60% conservative, but it could have been 80% if MSM was balanced.

Another point that Seg already mentioned in an earlier thread, is that it's not just the news media that sets the tone. Ever heard of Hollywood? Seen "Avatar"? Watch MTV? Even commercials. Listen to top 40 music? Yeah, the news consumers are older, but what about the rest of it? It is all MSM. It is very liberal and it permeates throughout culture. Young minds are indoctrinated daily and hourly. I have two teenage kids and I know how and where they get their views of the world. Forget news.

The GOP is mostly made up of conservatives and they enthusiastically supported GWB in 2004. I can understand a vote for GWB in 2000, I don't understand a vote for GWB in 2004 after Iraq, Afghanistan, and Medicare Part D.

A few names you may have conveniently forgotten:

General Shinseki who was fired when realistic about Iraq. Now part of the Obama administration at the VA.

Richard Foster who was threatened termination after being realistic about Medicare part D.

Bill Tauzin who took a $2,000,000/year job with PhRMA after steering the bill through the house.

And you (stillow, FM, and the rest of the conservative posters even if you don't admit it) voted for GWB again in 2004.

pion - We conservatives most certinaly did not enthusiastically support W in 2004. I did not vote for him in 2004...as he proved himself to be a big spending fiscal liberal. There were lots of cons who did nto vote in 2004.

Anyone who would deny that the MSM is overwhelmingly liberally bias is just nuts. 85 percent of media is liberal....9 out of 10 newspapers...all but one TV network...the only place cons have dominance is in talk radio.

The reason many liberals do not see the bias is because they actually think liberal views are mainstream and middle ground thinking...so anything toehr than liberal ideas is extreme to them. The notion that someone woudl rather be self sufficient than be taken care of by the hand of g'ment is repulsive to them and symbolizes a weak mind.

There's no question the MSM is liberally bias. Just as there's no question talk radio has a con bias. But liberals control 85 percent of all media...90 percent of education. those two forces combined are very powerful together. wit hthe brainwashing that goes on in public schools combined with the constant bombardment of liberal thinking fro mthe media, it is having an affect.

There's no question the MSM is liberally bias. Just as there's no question talk radio has a con bias. But liberals control 85 percent of all media...90 percent of education. those two forces combined are very powerful together. wit hthe brainwashing that goes on in public schools combined with the constant bombardment of liberal thinking fro mthe media, it is having an affect.

"And you (stillow, FM, and the rest of the conservative posters even if you don't admit it) voted for GWB again in 2004."

I will gladly admit to voting against Kerry.

Liberals wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell if 90% of the loony leftist media didn't actively campaign for them and run smears against the conservatives.

The thing that liberals really hate about Fox News is that they have never been able to find even a single statement that isn't true. The loony lefty liberal media has had all kind of scandals about false smears against conservatives (CBS, NYT, WP, LA Times, AP). It drives them nuts that their guys have to make stuff up in order to support the liberal cause.

"Ever heard of Hollywood? Seen "Avatar"? Watch MTV? Even commercials. Listen to top 40 music? Yeah, the news consumers are older, but what about the rest of it? It is all MSM. It is very liberal and it permeates throughout culture. Young minds are indoctrinated daily and hourly. "

Depends which top 40 hits you're talking about. The urban consumers like more hip-hop influenced songs with what you would consider "liberal" lyric but more benign music also inhabits the top 40 like Michael Buble. I assume you mean the songs are liberal because they tend to be sexually explicit or suggestive, but music has always been sexually suggestive. People are just less subtle now. There are relatively few songs nowadays that are politcal in nature though. Nothing like Peter, Paul, & Mary or Bob Dylan, etc.. used to be. John Mayer gets about as close as anyone. The Dixie Chicks got destroyed for daring to be against Iraq.

Britney Spears was the one that said we should just listen to the president and not question him - meaning Bush.

Country music is predominantly conservative, no one complains about a systemic bias there. What about the conservative bias in Baptist churches, the largest protestant denomination in the u.s.? No one complains about that.

What about the 8-10 various Christian networks including TBN that are on DirecTV? They are also conservative and get a lot of viewers. I hear no complaints.

"I have two teenage kids and I know how and where they get their views of the world. Forget news."

Mostly from facebook, I imagine. That's how my undergraduates get their news. You can choose how things get filtered on there though; if you have conservative friends you're likely to get conservative info and vice versa.

LOL, you should have seen what conservatives said about Elvis. Or Sinatra before him. The depravity and declension of the young is a recurring theme.

"Same goes for your assertion about mist news consumers being older, yet favoring conservative politics. Yeah, they may vote 60% conservative, but it could have been 80% if MSM was balanced."

You have absolutely no way to prove this hypothetical scenario. That's the kind of foolishness John Ziegler talks about.

"Seen "Avatar"?"

Yes, it was a very bad rip-off of the Pocahontas story and a not-too-subtle dig against imperialism and Iraq by implication. You'd have to be stupid not to see that and people probably agree or disagree based on prior prejudices. It was so stupid as to make its critique meaningless.

What about almost EVERY Hollywood romantic comedy where the message is that marriage is the ultimate goal of women, and the lack of being married by a woman's early 30s indicates failure in life? It's the message in every romantic comedy from Sleepless in Seattle to Sex and the City. How is that fundamentally different from Doris Day? Doesn't sound very "pregressive"...That seems to me a conservative message although accompanied now nominally liberal accoutrements like acceptance of gays. The "gay friend" has replaced the female friend in most romantic comedies.

You certainly don't see poignant messages in movies today like the anti-corruption, pro-union message of "On the Waterfront," the tackling of prejudice in "The Gentleman's Agreement," or the pacifism of "The Day the Earth Stood Still"

No, we glorify war with an Academy Award for "The Hurt Locker" and have a Robin Hood that talks about individual liberty and says nothing about taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

If you ask me, Hollywood has moved to the right of where it used to be.

Stillow:
"There's no question the MSM is liberally bias. Just as there's no question talk radio has a con bias. But liberals control 85 percent of all media...90 percent of education."

If you were a liberal you'd dispute the claim that MSM was 85% liberal, right? Or would you be the kind of liberal who just rolls over and plays dead when a conservative says something that seems patently absurd? Doubt it. Now you're not nuts, right? So, for a liberal to argue against what you just said is not nuts either. It's highly rational, in fact.

This is all a matter of perception. It's subjective. Come up with an objective metric we can all agree on and maybe then we can discuss in an intelligent way. Take WaPo and Washington Times or NY Post/NYT. If you say "both liberal" for either set no reason to discuss this topic any more. We're just at opposite ends of that earth on this matter. That's cool but why waste time on this topic then?

I'll try with education, because your comments appear to be dead wrong in the face of recent developments there. Activist conservatives are winning back large swaths of the country. Your 90% figure is way off.

Education just got shoved 180 degrees the other way in TX, where Thomas Jefferson, evolution, and...God knows who else are being removed or demoted and....creationism is now mainstream. This is evidence that education is 90% liberal? Look at education in many other Southern and red Midwestern states. They also have mandates to balance evolution with creationism and a whole host of other requirements and prohibitions. Sex ed is still off limits in many schools; proms get cancelled because a gay student wants to bring a date. The 90% figure doesn't come from a valid source. If it does name it.

I'd say education mirrors the politics of the individual state more often than not, or it's slightly left of that; but it's moving rightward because conservatives are all pumped up and fighting their way onto school boards now, while liberals are just kind of hanging out wondering what's going on.

Here's the document. A couple other that stand out to me are the elimination of Robert LaFollette from early 20th century history and the removal of Thomas Hobbes and Montesqieu as influences of the constitution and simply evaluated on their own merit.

I was wrong above. They didn't eliminate Hammurabi, but changed the way you're supposed to teach it.

@Stillow: "We conservatives most certinaly did not enthusiastically support W in 2004"

If a poll was performed today of who voted for GWB in 2004, you wouldn't even break 40%. It wasn't Democrats or Liberals who gave GWB 62,040,610 votes (the most ever until then) versus Kerry's 59,028,444 votes.

This poll really creeps me out. When Democrats have a 1 point lead on an Economist poll, that means we have a lot of work to do with our PR from the White house, and the so called "liberal media". They haven't been too liberal lately.

I think it has to do with the media failing to focus on other issues than the oil spill. The public is likely to believe that the party in power isn't focusing on other issues than that.

The problem with the American voters is they can never be happy. They always have to complain about something, and fail to see the big picture.

You are damn right Melvin. I think it is just a myth that the media is liberal, and I remember many times when the left was silenced. After 9/11 with the portrayal of Bush's Patriot act and other policies did little to truly explain how extreme the measure was.

When you live in a country controlled by corporations you will never truly get the big picture. I think Comcast literally silences Democracy Now which is a great program, that gives unfiltered critique on the death of the American dream, and international stories you never hear from the corporate media.

The Left's best way of fighting back on radio is Rock N Roll. The conservatives open their big mouths with Limbaugh, Beck and all that crap but many music stations other than Country, especially Classic Rock, Metal, hip hop and some alternative, use musical expression to depict the lost American dream. I don't think the right, can even come close to progressives when it comes to art, music, movies and artistic expression. I can say the same about tv movies and Hollywood movies. People like Oliver Stone can do that very well by using the cinema as a tool.

"Liberals wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell if 90% of the loony leftist media didn't actively campaign for them and run smears against the conservatives."

It wasn't the "loony leftist media" that smeared Scott Ritter, the 1991-1998 UN weapons inspector in Iraq. Right wingers routinely attacked his credibility when he correctly argued, in detail, that there couldn't be WMD's in Iraq. I actually heard him speak in October of 2002 and he was very impressive.

The Iraq cheerleaders in the media led by Fox (but also supported by people like Thomas Friedman at the NYT) were the Bush administration's mouth piece throughout this disaster. Yes, we overthrew a bloody dictator. But at what cost? At least 100,000 Iraqi dead. Millions of Iraqi displaced. 4400 US soldiers dead. Tens of thousands of wounded US soldiers. Trillion of dollars to the Treasury when you include the long term costs of caring for the wounded veterans.

Yes we overthrew a bloody dictator. What else did we do?

1) We created an ally of Iran! I can just imagine what the mullahs in Tehran were thinking: "Are the Americans so stupid as to let us control Iraq through clerics and politicians educated here? Allahu akbar!"

2) We pinned down a large portion of our armed forces for years so that the Russians and the French could collect the debts the Iraqi owed them.

3) We looked incompetent and lost international good will, even from our friends the Brits!

Thanks conservatives for cheering on Dick Cheney to run for office again at CPAC (I actually mean that). Thanks Fox news for making sure that your viewers linked Iraq and 9/11 in a Pavlovian fashion.

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