
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results - O_H_E
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-user-publishes-benchmarks-overclocking-results-ahead-of-launch/
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VladTheImplier
Lovely news! This is my next CPU after many years of my trusty FX8350@4.8 GHz.
Last time I waited for the second revision of the architecture to avoid the
usual launch hurdles. Christmas is apparently coming in April this year.

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letsgetsilly
Same here. As a web developer and gamer it's hard to ignore the Intel lineup,
but I'm a big fan of supporting the under-dog, and it makes it easy when
there's so much value packed in.

I assume that motherboards with new chipsets will be released as well, but
I've heard less about them.

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O_H_E
The Ryzen 2 lineup should work on the same AM4 socket, AMD claims that the
newer X470 chipset will give better performance.

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nobleach
As someone who purchased (early adopted) the Ryzen 5 2400g APU a couple of
days after release, I regret every bit of it. We still don't have any
motherboards that support it well. I've heard the ASUS boards do okay but they
have to be flashed to a new BIOS version (with a different processor in the
socket). I'm glad that folks like the hype, but the reality is just terrible.

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linuxftw
> I regret every bit of it.

Why make a statement without even one item of support as to why you regret it?

The ASUS board problem sounds inconvenient, to say the least, but the way your
phrased it implies it doesn't effect you in particular.

Comments on a popular online electronics retailer's website seem to be
positive for this model.

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nobleach
No, I've heard good things about the ASUS. The ASRock (which is what I bought)
is absolutely terrible. I regret buying the ASRock because I now have a
computer that freezes constantly. It's not related to processor load or heat.
It simply just doesn't work well at all. Sometimes an hour, sometimes 5
minutes....

I'm hoping I'm phrasing this well enough.

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swindmill
FWIW I am running a two week old Ryzen 5 2400G and ASRock Fatal1ty X370
Gaming-ITX/ac setup with rock solid stability under Windows 10. I did end up
having to run my 3200MHz memory at 2933Mhz to avoid some issues. This is the
max memory speed the CPU supports anyways so I don't consider it a large loss.
The ASRock published memory QVL agrees with my finding that 3200MHz isn't
stable with the specific memory I'm using. See
[https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Gaming-
ITXac...](https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Gaming-
ITXac/index.asp#MemoryRR)

What ASRock model are you using? Are you sure the culprit is the CPU or
motherboard and not another component?

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nobleach
I'm running the micro-atx AB350M Pro4 AM4. One can never be TOO sure that it's
not something else, but I've run it on one stick of ram, with no other
peripherals (removed WiFi PCIe card) and the problem persists. Still, the
single stick of ram is the best it's ever run. I'd love to run at 2933, but it
"seems" to freeze even more at those speeds. I hate that this is all non-
scientific anecdotal evidence. That seems to be right in line with everything
else over at the ASRock forums.

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dragontamer
As an owner of an x360 Raven Ridge Envy, I'm also having similar issues. GPU
Drivers on Raven Ridge seem to be borked at the moment.

I'm running Win10, default drivers (which seem to be 17.7 GPU drivers). HP
Envy x360 laptop CANNOT upgrade to more recent drivers.

Have you tried updating to 18.3 or later GPU drivers?? Raven Ridge is
allegedly all the same die, so I wouldn't be surprised if the iGPU drivers
between both of our systems have a similar issue.

But yeah, its looking to me like Raven Ridge (the iGPU parts) still have some
warts. The pure CPU Ryzen parts had warts too when they were released, but
they were fixed much more quickly.

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nobleach
I'll give updating the GPU drivers a shot and report back this evening. It's
now become my "I'll try anything" setup.

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dragontamer
Yeah, its a shame too. As long as my laptop doesn't crash, its actually kind
of awesome.

But crashing makes it unable to do any kind of "serious" work. Nothing breaks
a workflow like a forced unexpected reboot.

This "crashing" issue seems to be isolated to Raven Ridge. I've seen a lot of
complaints about it here and there online. There was an obscure crash on
Pinnacle Ridge CPUs (1800x, Threadripper, and EPYC) on Linux, but it was
allegedly fixed months ago.

So based on my experience and research, it seems like Raven Ridge needs to be
avoided. Its drivers just aren't good enough for prime time yet. Let me know
if you're able to successfully update to something newer.

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nobleach
Oddly, wiping the thing out and installing with a brand new download of
Windows 10 from MS's site has done wonders. My old install media was pretty
old. I haven't installed a single external driver for anything this time
around and it hasn't crashed. My Vega video driver was even recognized. I'm
gonna let it run for a day or so before declaring any victory. Fun side note,
I JUST placed an order for an ASUS mobo to replace this one.

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IronWolve
Beating an 8700K and 7820x, not bad at all. Nice to see AMD giving Intel some
competition again. Hopefully this leads intel to drop prices,

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Carioca
The 8700K's main draw over the Ryzens is single-core performance though.

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dragontamer
True, but it looks like these 2700X will come out under the 8700K's price
point.

So if a Ryzen7 2700X has better multithreaded (aka: compile times, blender
rendering, etc. etc.) speeds than something spec'd ~$50 to ~$100 more than it,
that's a winner by any stretch of the imagination.

Single-core performance is most important in Javascript and Video Games. But
most production tasks these days are multithreaded.

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flyinghamster
Nice incremental update, but since I already have a Ryzen 7 1700 on an Asrock
X370 Taichi and it's been wonderful, I'll take a pass. If I hadn't already
upgraded from my FX-6100, though, it would be worth looking into this one. As
it stands, already having the 1700, I'd move up to a Threadripper if I could
afford to upgrade, since a new motherboard would be needed anyway.

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RussianCow
> since a new motherboard would be needed anyway.

Minor correction: The Ryzen 2000 series uses the same socket, so you can use
the same motherboard, although AMD claims that the newer X470 chipset will
give you better performance. Either way, I agree with your assessment: It
doesn't seem worth it to upgrade if you already have a Ryzen 7.

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dogma1138
The x470 and 370 chipsets are identical it’s a rebrand. They changed some of
the power delivery requirements to match the higher TDP of some of CPUs and
apparently not all previously made boards were upto snuff or at least that is
the party line.

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Aardwolf
> It also comes with a clear fan, for better RGB light illumination than its
> predecessor which only had an RGB ring.

How did the RGB naming trend get started?

Rgb leds and colorful illuminated gaming pc's both already existed for
decades. But only recently I saw the name RGB pop up in motherboards,
keyboards, etc... as if it's something new

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drakenot
I recently built a new PC so I had to wade into this space again. The main
difference I believe is that many components themselves now have their own LED
lighting.

Before, it was primarily LED fans or light strips. Now, motherboards have
their own LED line traces. Ram has it's own LED lights. There is also support
to control the colors of these components from software.

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krylon
I just wish the lighting told me something useful. If the CPU fan changed
color to indicate temperature or CPU load, that would be _really_ cool.
Likewise, if RAM lighting indicated the rate of data transfer.

That would be pretty awesome. But all this fluff just to make PC more pretty
seems pointless to somehow.

(Don't get me wrong, if you like that sort of thing, by all means, enjoy it.
My sister's boyfriend has a gaming PC with a big glass window in the case so
one can see all the pretty lights quietly shifting around. It _is_ pretty, and
I bet it's boatloads of fun to look at when tripping.)

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sangnoir
> I just wish the lighting told me something useful.

There's a cross-platform, open source project that does this[1]. You can even
script it and bind colors and effects not just to CPU load but to any variable
(I don't know - maybe requests being served per second)

1\. [https://github.com/dcerisano/RGB-LED-Motherboard-Header-
Driv...](https://github.com/dcerisano/RGB-LED-Motherboard-Header-Driver-App)

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krylon
That is really, really cool!

My PC case does not have a window, so I will never know the difference. But it
is very cool one can do that!

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Retric
Looks good. I am going to wait to see Intel's response, but this may finally
be worth upgrading from an overclocked 2600k mostly used for gaming.

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baybal2
I wish AMD will make newer generations of their desktop CPUs chipsetless just
as their motherboard cores. For Intel, going for a separate chipset is a
requirement dictated by their design process and big die sizes, for AMD, it is
just a way to make an additional $10-$20 per CPU sale.

Chipsetless setup should allow for smaller motherboards with better POL setup.

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shmerl
So what's the best upgrade path from 1700X, 2700 or 2700X? 2700X sounds more
like an upgrade from 1800X.

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TwoNineA
Why do you want to upgrade the 1700X? What does the 2000 line bring other than
a 15% (being very optimistic) performance gain?

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shmerl
Personally, because my CPU has a hardware bug[1], which is now worked around
by disabling package C6 state, and I already went through RMA for the segfault
bug, so I'd rather now get a newer CPU to begin with.

[1]:
[https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683](https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683)

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IronBacon
I think I've read locks/hangs' reports even with newer APUs, and at this
moment I'm not sure if disabling C6 state on package (or was it core?) is an
effective workaround.

Or the suggestion to slightly increase voltage or a light overclock.

I wanted to upgrade to Ryzen but I don't want to spend time to troubleshoot
the HW. Seems like it's only triggered on a BSD/Linux system, don't know if
they were joking when they said that Windos is never that idle...

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shmerl
_> I think I've read locks/hangs' reports even with newer APUs, and at this
moment I'm not sure if disabling C6 state on package (or was it core?) is an
effective workaround._

For me it is. It's triggered by the firmware setting:

    
    
        Advanced > AMD CBS > Zen Common Options > Power Supply Idle Control = "Common current idle" (instead of auto)
    

That disables package C6 state for me (checked with zenstates.py), and freezes
and random reboots disappear after that:

    
    
        C6 State - Package - Disabled
        C6 State - Core - Enabled
    

On auto setting for the above, I get:

    
    
        C6 State - Package - Enabled
        C6 State - Core - Enabled
    

And it highly annoyingly randomly freezes and reboots in such case.

Another workaround is in the linked thread, to compile the kernel with special
rcu options, I tried that, and it works, but it's not really a good method.

 _> don't know if they were joking when they said that Windows is never that
idle..._

I don't think they are joking.

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IronBacon
I've read of people that experienced hangs even with the RCU workaround.

About the C6 state is good to know, but the lack of some kind of official
confirmation from AMD is kinda disturbing as it looks like the change to the
BIOS came from them.

I'm really torn...

Edit: disturbing is not the right word, disappointing is better

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shmerl
Yeah, lack of communication on these bugs from AMD is really annoying,
especially since there is no way to know whether they are fixed in newer CPUs
already or not.

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mciancia
Clickbait, overclocked Ryzen 7 2700X scores the same as i7 7820X.

It's a bit different story

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pcr0
For about $100 cheaper..

The big news here is Intel not having a monopoly on desktop CPUs anymore. I
personally remember Intel being the only serious CPU choice for building a
desktop since at least 2015. Now a lot of low-medium high desktop builds are
using Ryzen instead for the perf/$.

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digi_owl
Thats because AMD basically bet the farm on the GPU replacing the FPU for
doing floating point math, but never got any real traction for it on the OS
level.

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keldaris
I'd buy that argument if they had actually showed any investment in helping
that assumption come to pass. Instead, their ecosystem is a barren wasteland
compared to what Nvidia has built.

